The topic of the S2 has once again appeared on Gunnutz. It was very quickly mentioned that the price was high. It certainly is. The S2 is designed for the masses just like the Porche is; not at all.
It is not for someone who wants to waste the day shooting at cans on grandpa’s farm, it is a tactical trainer designed for precision, weight, function and feel. It is for a professional who is tired of light, flimsy crap made out of structurally weak polymers in third world nations. It is for someone who has pride in Canada and wants a Canadian made product.
Everyone seems to want cheap. This is why our industry is dying. Walmarts selling poisoned baby milk from China have spread like a cancer across North America and people enable it! On CGN a few months ago someone was wanting to get VZ58s built in China because the $800 price tag was too high. They wanted to see the price at $400. I had a few choice words for this individual. He did not want a quality rifle, he wanted tacti-cheap.
A North American manufacturing business can only successfully respond to the “cheap” with the opposite point on the buying spectrum; “Quality”. Sadly this response is a failing defense that appeals to less and less people. Some North American manufacturers have tried “cheap” with dismal results. It is sad, we have M1 Garands from WW2 that shoot as well as the day they were made but we have ISSC Mk22 that fail out of the box or the GSG-5 coming apart on the range. Yet suckers keep buying them… after all they don’t want quality, they want cheap.
Finally, I am a one man show; I am a machinist and a gun smith; not a web site designer, not an advertiser. So I get upset when people complain that the website sucks. Yes it is simple but at least it works. I am going to lay it out simply: do you want to buy guns from someone like me or someone web savy? A person is lacking life experience if they allow themselves to be taken by a slick conman with all style and no substance. A flashy website with sounds, animations, bells and whistles can never fill the gap of real competence where it matters: The Service and the product.
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Friday, 9 August 2013
Sunday, 2 June 2013
What is Going on With the Firearms Lab?
Recently I just finished a criminal intelligence course. The material was not new to me but it put intelligence analysis back into the forefront of my mind. I started to think analytically about the recent strange behavior coming out of the RCMP firearms lab.
The RCMP approved an AKM (AK47) look alike called the Canadian Sporting rifle. It looks exactly like an AKM and even takes AK47 magazines in the standard AK47 caliber of 7.62x39 Soviet. The internals are reported to be different. This flies in the face of previous RCMP rulings most noteable the .22LR Armi Jager. It looks like an AK47 but it had different internals, different materials and fired a different caliber all while using a different magazine. It was classed as prohibited based on looks alone. This was not an isolated thing; the crappy GSG-5 was also deemed prohibited because it looked exactly like a MP5. Different materials, different internals, different caliber but its appearance made it prohibited. The Colt-Umarex .22LR: restricted because of looks. This sudden departure from what has been the RCMP norm for well over the 8 years I have been involved in the industry suggests something has changed.
- Management. Last I heard, Bill Etter was still in charge of that gong show so this is unlikely. Perhaps the techs are cool guys who like guns?
- Money changed hands. Lets face it, there have been RCMP members caught killing people in jail cells and having sex with underage girls in cars, is it that far fetched to think some bribery took place?
- One of the techs snuck this in because he personally wants an AK. I know several people who are part of the gun control bureaucracy only because they want to act as agents of positive change; agents that are secretly on our side.
- Politicians put boots to ass and forced a change. That is how I forced the RCMP lab to give the S2 the ok. But the S2 I sent to the lab had no telltale features that looked like any other firearms.
I have had dealing with the lab so I know they are a slow, inefficient and stubborn bureaucracy. This fact forces me to conclude that this gun went to the RCMP lab anywhere from a year to 6 months ago.
So speaking analytically we have 3 hypothesis. Now lets looks at some disturbing data.
Recently the RCMP firearms lab has determined that the Sig Special “Sig 550” that the receiver is the same as its select fire counterparts. This moves the rifle from the category of non-restricted rifle into the prohibited category of “Converted Auto” – a made up Canadian term developed to ban more guns. Despite having no capability to fire full auto with no full auto fire control parts, it may be deemed an illegal gun. The RCMP did this with a small batch of VZ58 that mistakenly were sent with a converted auto receiver. So using deductive reasoning we can eliminate our first hypothesis from the list.
Even though they act like they are above the law, the RCMP must answer to parliament and the Minister of Public Safety. So what do you get when you force a bureaucrat to do something he does not want to do? A pissed off petty man who lashes out at those he thinks are beneath him. The Sig rifle may be a backlash to punish the citizens of Canada for forcing them through the democratic process to allow an AKM variant to hit the market.
Politics should be considered as well. So I will add it as a fourth Hypothesis. The RCMP actually lost the GSG-5 case before it went to the appeal court and was overturned. If the Canadian Sporting Rifle was deemed illegal (as the past pattern suggests) it could be another legal battle. You see the RCMP are playing a high stakes game, if they deemed it prohibited and lost a court case on the CSR it would force them to re-evaluate and re-classify many of their other prohibited firearms back to non-restricted status. Their credibility would be forever lost in the courts in regards to firearms and more importantly they would lose positive control over many more guns. This hypothesis fits the story of the CSR but not that of the Sig Rifle. Interesting.
Our new list of theories:
1 The firearms lab is taking bribes.
2 A Firearms Lab tech wants his own “AK47”
3 Politicians or put pressure on the RCMP labs with the “Canadian Sporting Rifle.” The RCMP labs responded to this insult by jumping on the “Ban”-Wagon.
4 The RCMP fear a court case that could shatter them.
This new data does not support theory 1 or 2 but it does not disprove it. Through inductive reasoning theory 3 is looking more likely. The introduction of the Sig Rifle data lowers the probability of Theory 4 as this could be a feared court challenge. But these events may not actually be linked meaning that it could be more then one of these factors after all it is a mistake to assume that decisions and actions are the result of a grand, organized hierarchy. Sometimes what happens is the result of misunderstood orders, political maneuverings or even insubordination.
News has also surfaced about the RCMP looking long and hard at the Norinco CQ rifle. This is a copy of the M4. Unlike most other AR15’s that enter Canada, this one is shipped with a full auto bolt. There are no other full-auto fire control parts. Apparently a gunsmith/manufacturer complained about it. The result of the Norinco investigation will suggest the driving influence behind the RCMP’s actions.
a. If the Norinco M4 comes back as restricted (what it is now) I would guess the lab’s goal is control. The rifle is part of the gun registry so it is still under the positive control of the RCMP. They have no interest other then to prevent the loss of more gun registry data. If the Norinco M4 stays restricted, I predict that the RCMP will work to reclassify as many non-restricted rifles as possible to keep accurate tabs on firearms and their owners. This action would also be another indicator that Hypothesis 3 is correct and Hypothesis 4 is not.
b. If the Norinco M4 comes back as prohibited, I would guess the lab’s goal is confiscation and starting a spearhead to eventually take other AR15s. The AR15 is only restricted because of name. A simple change in the Order in Council would force the AR15 (except for ones with silly short barrels) off the registry and into the land of non-restricted rifles. With a legitimate reason for an all out ban it would serve the RCMP’s interest to re-classify. This time they would have a real legal leg to stand on. This would mean that Hypothesis 4 is most likely correct.
I must conclude that, at this time, I can not definitively say what is going on. But I rate my hypothesis’ like this:
Hypothesis 1 (The firearms lab is taking bribes.): Unlikely
Despite some serious ego issues and some limited criminal actions, the RCMP is a large organization that for the most part is moral and just. To bribe the entire lab would be uneconomical considering how small our gun ownership actually is.
Hypothesis 2 (A Firearms Lab tech wants his own “AK47”): Possible
We know that our people are secretly embedded in the gun control structure. It is highly likely that such a person would love an AK47 but the size of the organization suggests this would be a tough one to sneak past the other lab people. It would depend on his ingenuity and understanding of the bureaucratic function. I would rate this as only “Possible.”
Hypothesis 3 (Politicians put pressure on the RCMP labs with the “Canadian Sporting Rifle.”): Likely
The RCMP must obey Parliament but dislike doing so. They managed to dance around my MP for a solid 3 months resisting my attempts to make a lawful living. When the Long Gun Registry was scrapped the RCMP’s CFOs attempted to punish the people through slow transfer times, a backdoor registry and ridiculous ATT restrictions. If their petty past is an indicator of the future they are trying to punish the public for demands placed on them through our democratic process.
Hypothesis 4 (Credibility called into question): Highly Likely
The RCMP were on the brink of losing the GSG-5 battle. A lower court held that the function of a firearm made it a variant. The appeals court ruled that identical guns are a variant noting the guns in question were advertised as a .22LR version of their prohibited counterparts. As no literature and/or advertisements make the “AK47” claim for the Canadian Sporting Rifle, the RCMP may feel that the element that got them to win last time, is missing.
In conclusion, we don’t know exactly what is going on, but I suspect things will get very clear in the next year.
The RCMP approved an AKM (AK47) look alike called the Canadian Sporting rifle. It looks exactly like an AKM and even takes AK47 magazines in the standard AK47 caliber of 7.62x39 Soviet. The internals are reported to be different. This flies in the face of previous RCMP rulings most noteable the .22LR Armi Jager. It looks like an AK47 but it had different internals, different materials and fired a different caliber all while using a different magazine. It was classed as prohibited based on looks alone. This was not an isolated thing; the crappy GSG-5 was also deemed prohibited because it looked exactly like a MP5. Different materials, different internals, different caliber but its appearance made it prohibited. The Colt-Umarex .22LR: restricted because of looks. This sudden departure from what has been the RCMP norm for well over the 8 years I have been involved in the industry suggests something has changed.
- Management. Last I heard, Bill Etter was still in charge of that gong show so this is unlikely. Perhaps the techs are cool guys who like guns?
- Money changed hands. Lets face it, there have been RCMP members caught killing people in jail cells and having sex with underage girls in cars, is it that far fetched to think some bribery took place?
- One of the techs snuck this in because he personally wants an AK. I know several people who are part of the gun control bureaucracy only because they want to act as agents of positive change; agents that are secretly on our side.
- Politicians put boots to ass and forced a change. That is how I forced the RCMP lab to give the S2 the ok. But the S2 I sent to the lab had no telltale features that looked like any other firearms.
I have had dealing with the lab so I know they are a slow, inefficient and stubborn bureaucracy. This fact forces me to conclude that this gun went to the RCMP lab anywhere from a year to 6 months ago.
So speaking analytically we have 3 hypothesis. Now lets looks at some disturbing data.
Recently the RCMP firearms lab has determined that the Sig Special “Sig 550” that the receiver is the same as its select fire counterparts. This moves the rifle from the category of non-restricted rifle into the prohibited category of “Converted Auto” – a made up Canadian term developed to ban more guns. Despite having no capability to fire full auto with no full auto fire control parts, it may be deemed an illegal gun. The RCMP did this with a small batch of VZ58 that mistakenly were sent with a converted auto receiver. So using deductive reasoning we can eliminate our first hypothesis from the list.
Even though they act like they are above the law, the RCMP must answer to parliament and the Minister of Public Safety. So what do you get when you force a bureaucrat to do something he does not want to do? A pissed off petty man who lashes out at those he thinks are beneath him. The Sig rifle may be a backlash to punish the citizens of Canada for forcing them through the democratic process to allow an AKM variant to hit the market.
Politics should be considered as well. So I will add it as a fourth Hypothesis. The RCMP actually lost the GSG-5 case before it went to the appeal court and was overturned. If the Canadian Sporting Rifle was deemed illegal (as the past pattern suggests) it could be another legal battle. You see the RCMP are playing a high stakes game, if they deemed it prohibited and lost a court case on the CSR it would force them to re-evaluate and re-classify many of their other prohibited firearms back to non-restricted status. Their credibility would be forever lost in the courts in regards to firearms and more importantly they would lose positive control over many more guns. This hypothesis fits the story of the CSR but not that of the Sig Rifle. Interesting.
Our new list of theories:
1 The firearms lab is taking bribes.
2 A Firearms Lab tech wants his own “AK47”
3 Politicians or put pressure on the RCMP labs with the “Canadian Sporting Rifle.” The RCMP labs responded to this insult by jumping on the “Ban”-Wagon.
4 The RCMP fear a court case that could shatter them.
This new data does not support theory 1 or 2 but it does not disprove it. Through inductive reasoning theory 3 is looking more likely. The introduction of the Sig Rifle data lowers the probability of Theory 4 as this could be a feared court challenge. But these events may not actually be linked meaning that it could be more then one of these factors after all it is a mistake to assume that decisions and actions are the result of a grand, organized hierarchy. Sometimes what happens is the result of misunderstood orders, political maneuverings or even insubordination.
News has also surfaced about the RCMP looking long and hard at the Norinco CQ rifle. This is a copy of the M4. Unlike most other AR15’s that enter Canada, this one is shipped with a full auto bolt. There are no other full-auto fire control parts. Apparently a gunsmith/manufacturer complained about it. The result of the Norinco investigation will suggest the driving influence behind the RCMP’s actions.
a. If the Norinco M4 comes back as restricted (what it is now) I would guess the lab’s goal is control. The rifle is part of the gun registry so it is still under the positive control of the RCMP. They have no interest other then to prevent the loss of more gun registry data. If the Norinco M4 stays restricted, I predict that the RCMP will work to reclassify as many non-restricted rifles as possible to keep accurate tabs on firearms and their owners. This action would also be another indicator that Hypothesis 3 is correct and Hypothesis 4 is not.
b. If the Norinco M4 comes back as prohibited, I would guess the lab’s goal is confiscation and starting a spearhead to eventually take other AR15s. The AR15 is only restricted because of name. A simple change in the Order in Council would force the AR15 (except for ones with silly short barrels) off the registry and into the land of non-restricted rifles. With a legitimate reason for an all out ban it would serve the RCMP’s interest to re-classify. This time they would have a real legal leg to stand on. This would mean that Hypothesis 4 is most likely correct.
I must conclude that, at this time, I can not definitively say what is going on. But I rate my hypothesis’ like this:
Hypothesis 1 (The firearms lab is taking bribes.): Unlikely
Despite some serious ego issues and some limited criminal actions, the RCMP is a large organization that for the most part is moral and just. To bribe the entire lab would be uneconomical considering how small our gun ownership actually is.
Hypothesis 2 (A Firearms Lab tech wants his own “AK47”): Possible
We know that our people are secretly embedded in the gun control structure. It is highly likely that such a person would love an AK47 but the size of the organization suggests this would be a tough one to sneak past the other lab people. It would depend on his ingenuity and understanding of the bureaucratic function. I would rate this as only “Possible.”
Hypothesis 3 (Politicians put pressure on the RCMP labs with the “Canadian Sporting Rifle.”): Likely
The RCMP must obey Parliament but dislike doing so. They managed to dance around my MP for a solid 3 months resisting my attempts to make a lawful living. When the Long Gun Registry was scrapped the RCMP’s CFOs attempted to punish the people through slow transfer times, a backdoor registry and ridiculous ATT restrictions. If their petty past is an indicator of the future they are trying to punish the public for demands placed on them through our democratic process.
Hypothesis 4 (Credibility called into question): Highly Likely
The RCMP were on the brink of losing the GSG-5 battle. A lower court held that the function of a firearm made it a variant. The appeals court ruled that identical guns are a variant noting the guns in question were advertised as a .22LR version of their prohibited counterparts. As no literature and/or advertisements make the “AK47” claim for the Canadian Sporting Rifle, the RCMP may feel that the element that got them to win last time, is missing.
In conclusion, we don’t know exactly what is going on, but I suspect things will get very clear in the next year.
Friday, 27 July 2012
You Get What You Pay For....
I was doing my daily read through on CGN, one of the gun forums that I read. I came across this little gem:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=553138
When will people grab a clue and realize that you CAN NOT build a quality tactical firearm for $600?
Yet you have people who absolutely refuse to shell out even $200 more for something that will work and last.The people who refuse to pay for quality are the same people that drive the creation of cheap, poorly constructed firearms. Just because a rifle is chambered in .22LR and is intended for training is no reason to build airsoft-grade crap.
I had a pistol blow up in my hands just before my QL6 course in spring 2011. It was a Sig Mosquito. I often wondered how this .22 pistol could be half the price of a regular pistol. Now I know; cheap materials. The slide, which was made out of pot metal, snapped cleanly in 2.
I like to save money on ammo but I don’t like to replace broken parts or entire firearms.
Now that the S2 has come to market people call it overpriced but the reality is, my gun will last. It is not cheap pot metal and no one will be able to go on CGN and complain about my gun failing…
Kind of like how the M&P15-22, the Colt-Umarex 22, the GSG-5 and now the Sig
Mosquito have failed
//////////////////FROM CGN - POSTED BY USERID ARMAMENT/////////
The impulse to buy and desire to get something different than the other dozen 10/22's I've had in the last half decade prompted me to buy an overpriced vtr.
Went to a gun store in Saint john and my eyes fell upon it. I bought the model with the adjustable stock. Seemed a little heavy but whatever. Looked like a neat little toy (had no idea ruger had made its own ar15 mockery). So I bought it and first thing's first from the factory they somehow managed to crossthread the buffer tube into thje receiver. The stock was loose and when I went to tighten the tube but I unthreaded the tube and notice they had the threads all marred up. Whatever, tubes are cheap and aluminum is soft.
My first trip out shooting with it proved to be less than impressive. I hadn't shot in quite a while but even with a facog 4x from no more than 20 yards away it was shooting all over the place. I guessed it didn't like dynapoints and decided I'd try different ammo later.
Second trip out I have a couple of friends and I happend to have brought a cooey 60 so more than one of us could plink away at a given time. Two shots in and the extractor blew itself somewhere along with the spring. It's now a single shot until I effectively order another extractor.
I took it apart this evening and studied the less than flattering worksmanship gone into this rifle. Unlike the ruger and most semi auto 22's I noticed if you hold the trigger down the hammer will follow the bolt. Maybe it had to do with the trigger group being separate from the bolt but I irked an eyebrow when I was playing with the trigger group. I'm not worried about an out of battery fire or slam fire but what kind of piss poor design allows the hammer not to catch once the trigger is depressed and the hammer hits the back of the firing pin?
I also noticed my remington oem 30 round mag wont engage the mag catch which isn't a big deal but kind of defeats the purpose.
Not a huge fan of the plastic internal workings. Cheap and dirty. Overall I'm not impressed and should have stuck to my roots. The 10/22 is simple, effective proven and true. The 597 feels like mass produced, inaccurate garbage. Maybe I just bought a lemon.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=553138
When will people grab a clue and realize that you CAN NOT build a quality tactical firearm for $600?
Yet you have people who absolutely refuse to shell out even $200 more for something that will work and last.The people who refuse to pay for quality are the same people that drive the creation of cheap, poorly constructed firearms. Just because a rifle is chambered in .22LR and is intended for training is no reason to build airsoft-grade crap.
I had a pistol blow up in my hands just before my QL6 course in spring 2011. It was a Sig Mosquito. I often wondered how this .22 pistol could be half the price of a regular pistol. Now I know; cheap materials. The slide, which was made out of pot metal, snapped cleanly in 2.
I like to save money on ammo but I don’t like to replace broken parts or entire firearms.
Now that the S2 has come to market people call it overpriced but the reality is, my gun will last. It is not cheap pot metal and no one will be able to go on CGN and complain about my gun failing…
Kind of like how the M&P15-22, the Colt-Umarex 22, the GSG-5 and now the Sig
Mosquito have failed
//////////////////FROM CGN - POSTED BY USERID ARMAMENT/////////
The impulse to buy and desire to get something different than the other dozen 10/22's I've had in the last half decade prompted me to buy an overpriced vtr.
Went to a gun store in Saint john and my eyes fell upon it. I bought the model with the adjustable stock. Seemed a little heavy but whatever. Looked like a neat little toy (had no idea ruger had made its own ar15 mockery). So I bought it and first thing's first from the factory they somehow managed to crossthread the buffer tube into thje receiver. The stock was loose and when I went to tighten the tube but I unthreaded the tube and notice they had the threads all marred up. Whatever, tubes are cheap and aluminum is soft.
My first trip out shooting with it proved to be less than impressive. I hadn't shot in quite a while but even with a facog 4x from no more than 20 yards away it was shooting all over the place. I guessed it didn't like dynapoints and decided I'd try different ammo later.
Second trip out I have a couple of friends and I happend to have brought a cooey 60 so more than one of us could plink away at a given time. Two shots in and the extractor blew itself somewhere along with the spring. It's now a single shot until I effectively order another extractor.
I took it apart this evening and studied the less than flattering worksmanship gone into this rifle. Unlike the ruger and most semi auto 22's I noticed if you hold the trigger down the hammer will follow the bolt. Maybe it had to do with the trigger group being separate from the bolt but I irked an eyebrow when I was playing with the trigger group. I'm not worried about an out of battery fire or slam fire but what kind of piss poor design allows the hammer not to catch once the trigger is depressed and the hammer hits the back of the firing pin?
I also noticed my remington oem 30 round mag wont engage the mag catch which isn't a big deal but kind of defeats the purpose.
Not a huge fan of the plastic internal workings. Cheap and dirty. Overall I'm not impressed and should have stuck to my roots. The 10/22 is simple, effective proven and true. The 597 feels like mass produced, inaccurate garbage. Maybe I just bought a lemon.
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